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https://plus.google.com/104013835962992611989 John Hardy : China Matters on the American downing in 1988 of Iran Air Flight 655 killing 290 passengers and crew...
China Matters on the American downing in 1988 of Iran Air Flight 655 killing 290 passengers and crew (including 66 children).
http://chinamatters.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/ukraine-mh-17-and-twilight-of.html?m=1

Recall the US shootdown of Iran Air Flight 655 in 1988 by the USS Vincennes.  It was also an ugly business.  The Iran Air jet was on a standard civilian flight path with its transponders on; the Vincennes through some bit of naval derring-do had actually intruded into Iranian territorial waters when it shot the plane down (something that was only admitted by the US three years later).  290 people died, the US never apologized, but eventually paid out some money to smooth things over, not in a particularly classy way, according to a 2002 account: http://everything2.com/title/USS%2520Vincennes

The US had compensated non-Iranian victims about 2.9 million dollars (not acknowledging anyresponsibility) but nothing to Iranian family members. In 1996, a 131.8 million dollarsettlement was reached that included the ignored families (61.8 million). Seventy million was to be put into bank accounts and used to "pay offprivate U.S. claims against Iran and Iran'sexpenses for the Iran-U.S. Claims Tribunal, which is handling the claims." The US stated it was for claims "involving banking matters, not the airliner," while Iran said that 30 million was for the plane.

The shootdown was accompanied by the usual quotient of dishonest denial and blame shifting.  

The following day, the Pentagon held a news conference on the incident. After originally having flatly denied Iran's version of the event, saying that it had shot down an F-14 fighter and not a civilian aircraft, the State Department (after a review of the evidence) admitted the downing of Iran Air 655. It was claimed that the plane had "strayed too close to two U.S. Navy warships that were engaged in a battle with Iranian gunboats" and, according to the spokesman, that the "proper defensive action" was taken (in part) because the "suspect aircraft was outside the prescribed commercial air corridor" (Washington Post).

That it "strayed" from its normal, scheduled flight path is factually incorrect. And so was the claim that it was heading right for the ship and "descending" (emphasis, mine) toward it—it was ascending. Another "error" was the contention that it took place in international waters (it did not, a fact only later admitted by the government). Incorrect maps were used when Congress was briefed on the incident.

...The Iran Air shootdown was classified as a goof—although the Iranians declared it rose to the level of criminal misconduct (and have been accused of engineering the Lockerbie bombing as retaliation)--and the captain of the Vincennes was condemned by his fellow officers as a reckless dingbat, per Wikipedia: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Commander David Carlson, commanding officerof the USS Sides, the warship stationed near to the Vincennes at the time of the incident, is reported to have said that the destruction of the aircraft "marked the horrifying climax to Captain Rogers' aggressiveness, first seen four weeks ago." His comment referred to incidents on 2 June, when Rogers had sailed the Vincennes too close to an Iranian frigate undertaking a lawful search of a bulk carrier, launched a helicopter within 2–3 miles (3.2–4.8 km) of an Iranian small craft despite rules of engagement requiring a four-mile (6.4 km) separation, and opened fire on small Iranian military boats. Of those incidents, Carlson commented, "Why do you want an Aegis cruiser out there shooting up boats? It wasn't a smart thing to do." He also said that Iranian forces he had encountered in the area a month prior to the incident were "...pointedly non-threatening" and professional. At the time of Rogers' announcement to higher command that he was going to shoot down the plane, Carlson is reported to have been thunderstruck: "I said to folks around me, 'Why, what the hell is he doing?' I went through the drill again. F-14. He's climbing. By now this damn thing is at 7,000 feet." Carlson thought the Vincennes might have more information, and was unaware that Rogers had been wrongly informed that the plane was diving.

Craig, Morales & Oliver, in a slide presentation published in M.I.T.'s Spring 2004 Aeronautics & Astronautics as the "USS Vincennes Incident", commented that Captain Rogers had "an undeniable and unequivocal tendency towards what I call 'picking a fight.'" On his own initiative, Rogers moved the Vincennes 50 miles (80 km) northeast to join the USS Montgomery. An angry Captain Richard McKenna, Chief of Surface Warfare for the Commander of the Joint Task Force, ordered Rogers back to Abu Musa, but theVincennes helicopter pilot, Lt Mark Collier, followed the Iranian speedboats as they retreated north, eventually taking some fire:

...the Vincennes jumps back into the fray. Heading towards the majority of the speedboats, he is unable to get a clear target. Also, the speedboats are now just slowly milling about in their own territorial waters. Despite clear information to the contrary, Rogers informs command that the gunboats are gathering speed and showing hostile intent and gains approval to fire upon them at 0939. Finally, in another fateful decision, he crosses the 12-nautical-mile (22 km) limit off the coast and enters illegally into Iranian waters.

Captain Rogers was not officially censured for the shootdown; instead, two years later he was awarded the Legion of Merit for his services while captain of the Vincennes and soon after retired.


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Obama: What are rebels trying to hide?

HRABOVE, Ukraine (CNN) - Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and U.S. President Barack Obama lashed out Monday at Russia over conditions at the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, saying Russian-backed rebels at the site continue to impede efforts to recover bodies and investigate exactly what happened. Poroshenko, speaking to CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, pleaded for international solidarity against the rebels fighting the government in Kiev. U.S. and other officials have said they believe rebels backed by Russia fired the missile that brought down the plane Thursday, killing all 298 aboard. “I don’t see any differences” between 9/11, the Lockerbie bombing and the attack on Flight 17, Poroshenko said, referring to the 2001 terror attacks on the United States and the bombing of a Pan Am flight over Scotland in 1988. Quick Clicks Videos Obama: What are rebels trying to hide? Ukraine rebel leader: We never had Buk missiles Mother of MH17 victim slams Russian president Putin: Experts need security at site Flight attend avoids MH370, but not MH17 Flight 17 passengers' relatives want their bodies Victims' belongings scattered among the ashes More images from MH17 crash site, few answers AIDS researchers killed in Ukraine crash Accusations fly over MH17 crash [...]
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"I don't see any differences" between 9/11, the Lockerbie bombing and the attack on Flight 17, Poroshenko said.
'What exactly are they trying to hide?' Obama says of Russia, Ukrainian rebels
Rebels at the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 have granted monitors and experts nearly "unfettered access" to wreckage Monday, an official says.
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https://plus.google.com/108153613586793867974 Greg Herrman : "I don't see any differences" between 9/11, the Lockerbie bombing and the attack on Flight 17, Poroshenko...
"I don't see any differences" between 9/11, the Lockerbie bombing and the attack on Flight 17, Poroshenko said.
'What exactly are they trying to hide?' Obama says of Russia, Ukrainian rebels
Rebels at the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 have granted monitors and experts nearly "unfettered access" to wreckage Monday, an official says.
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https://plus.google.com/114586260715687570728 MAH Podcasts : Abdelbaset Al-Megrahi, Lockerbie – And The Lies We Have Been Told On the 20th May 2012 the only person...
Abdelbaset Al-Megrahi, Lockerbie – And The Lies We Have Been Told

On the 20th May 2012 the only person ever convicted of the 1988 Lockerbie bombing, Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, died of cancer in Libya. Examination of contemporary events at the time of the bombing, the manner in which subsequent investigations were pursued, and the way in which the eventual trial (in 2000) of defendants Abdelbaset Al Megrahi and Al Amin Khalifa Fhimah was handled, leads (ultimately) to some highly disturbing insights into the deceits that lie at the heart of “regime change”, and of “the war on global terrorism”.

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Abdelbaset Al-Megrahi, Lockerbie – And The Lies We Have Been Told
Source: by Tony Shell 11/04/2014 On the 20th May 2012 the only person ever convicted of the 1988 Lockerbie bombing, Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, died of cancer in Libya. Examination of contemporary events at the time of the bombing, the manner in which subsequent...
Abdelbaset Al-Megrahi, Lockerbie – And The Lies We Have Been Told

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https://plus.google.com/107745019647761781992 Celine Wilkinson : Libya requires emergency government The following interview with Libyan businessman Hassan Tatanaki ...
Libya requires emergency government
The following interview with Libyan businessman Hassan Tatanaki was conducted a few days before the sudden events took place in Libya. The General National Congress (GNC) was surprised by the military deployment led by retired Maj. Gen. Khalifa Hifter in Benghazi, Tripoli and other areas. This operation was supported by sectors of the army and has pushed the GNC to announce, in a shocking step, the election of a new parliament on June 25 to replace the GNC, whose term has expired.
Summary 
 Libyan businessman Hassan Tatanaki talked to Al-Hayat about the necessity of forming an emergency government in Libya to strengthen the army, police and judiciary, before the country becomes a source of terrorism.
Author Mohammad Ali Farhat Posted May 23, 2014
Translator(s)Joelle El-Khoury
 
Original Article  
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The elections may not be held on schedule because the events on the ground keep changing around the clock. Meanwhile, neighboring countries are closing their borders to people, the Arab League is taking action and the Maghreb countries are calling for a meeting to discuss the developments in Libya. For their part, the United Nations, the United States and Europe are watching with a great level of suspense.
Tatanaki said that Islamic political parties were controlling the GNC after they had received the consent of Western circles and became powerful. However, he considers Libya’s problem to extend beyond this, as developments reveal a desire to turn this country into a hotbed of terrorism.
Tatanaki said he is optimistic about the ability of the Libyan people, with all their revolutionaries, armed forces and tribes, to overcome chaos and deter extremist leaders that are striving to spread discord between the tribes and across the cities. He suggested the creation of an emergency government monitored by an elected parliament to enhance the army, the police and the judiciary, and respect the responsibilities of the tribes as per their customs, for deterrence. This leads to getting rid of illegal weapons and makes people trust the state security institutions and the judiciary.
As a political activist, Tatanaki said in all transparency that he helped close associates of the regime in solving the problem of the blockade resulting from the Lockerbie problem. Back then, the regime of former President Moammar Gadhafi considered him a close associate of the United States and some European countries. Some Gadhafi supporters even accused him of collaborating with these countries.


Tatanaki accompanied the Libyan revolution from the very beginning. He offered social and media assistance and served as an assistant to the first administration of the revolution, which was headed by Mustafa Abdul Jalil. He helped the administration in its relations with the United States and some European countries. Tatanaki always prefers to be referred to merely as a Libyan “citizen.”
The text of the interview follows:

Al-Hayat:  Revolutions breed chaos while waiting for the crystallization of the national political system, and in the case of Libya, this is taking some time. There are concerns plaguing both the domestic and the regional arenas. Why is the process taking so long? Is it a natural or intentional delay?

Tatanaki:  The GNC’s term, as per specialized observers, has expired, but the political Islam parties’ control of the GNC and their disrespect of the people and the state explains their survival and the survival of the GNC. It’s like they’ve kidnapped the state by impeding the establishment of new post-revolutionary institutions. The GNC is invalid now, despite the fact that foreign countries believe it is. Had a similar act occurred in a foreign country, the involved people would have been referred to courts.

The control of the GNC, the weakness of the government and the presence of militias are all factors that lead to a dictatorship project with an imaginary entity called political Islam.
They are trying to control the state departments and employ their supporters in the joints of public departments and institutions, although they are a minority, and they are doing so through pressures that the Libyans are aware of, including direct and indirect threats.
At the popular level, these people do not enjoy great support, but they engage in inhumane behavior and political games that cannot be afforded by the post-revolution phase of state construction. For example, they push some of their figures to the forefront and present them as independent.

Al-Hayat:  The Islamic political groups are losing in the Libyan post-revolution referendums, but they are clinging to power positions, sometimes with the consent of major foreign countries.

Tatanaki:  Western leaders consider what happened in Egypt and is happening in Libya as a natural matter. According to them, the Brotherhood is a religious and social movement that has a political framework connected to the demands of the people. These leaders cannot distinguish between the Muslim Brotherhood and the conservative religious education of the people. There is quite a difference between the two. The Brotherhood is a political movement; it does not include people specialized in religious sciences and guidance. The Muslim Brotherhood’s relationship with religion is neither solid nor unreliable. Their leadership does not include specialized clerics because most of them are engineers and doctors, among other civil disciplines. They just grow beards and take themselves for guardians of Islam.
Some European presidents have shallowly supported the Brotherhood in a bid to let Muslims solve their own problems internally, but did they really leave us and abstain from interfering in our affairs and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood? There is no doubt that this is a game that goes beyond Libya’s border and spreads in the region. The great potential and discourse of the Brotherhood and their allies in Libya goes beyond their need to take control of Libya alone. There is more to it. [They] want to turn Libya into a platform and a source of terrorism given its strategic location. Terrorism is being practiced under the banner of Islam, although in actuality it has nothing to do with Islam.

Situation of tribes

Al-Hayat:  Does tribalism in Libya constitute a real obstacle to the crystallization of the new Libyan state?

Tatanaki:  There are extremist leaders who exploit individuals in tribes for sedition purposes and in a bid to tighten their control, but the Libyan people communicate among each other, and there are no fundamental problems between the tribes. We have more than a hundred tribes, and there are only limited problems among a small number of them, and this is normal in any society in the world.
Some Islamic movements provoke tribal disputes in an attempt to create baseless conflicts for sedition purposes.
During the era of Gadhafi, the popular bases of the tribes were interrelated, and Gadhafi only controlled some of the leaders of these tribes. However, one should always be cautious. When blood starts to flow, it is hard to stop it. We are still at the beginning, and it is easier for us to prevent a torrent of blood on the hands of sedition-seekers who only care about control.
There are no broad affiliations to political Islamic organizations in Libyan society. The percentage of those who have certain affiliations does not exceed 5%, knowing that their affiliation is tribal, regional and national, and they are all Muslims.
Tribalism leads to the [building of the] state. It does not hinder the process, but there are people who sow discord among tribes, especially in the western regions. Misrata, as a revolutionary city, originally derived its strength from being an economic city. The actions of some people who are sympathetic toward the Muslim Brotherhood have led to the emergence of discord among the people of Misrata and those of Benghazi. It is as if they are taking Libya toward a greater strife. Are these actions aimed at dividing Libya as a country — not as a people — and distributing the resulting parts among the neighboring countries? There is no other explanation for such seditious behavior.
In a matter of months, if Libya does not get stronger, i.e., if the entire state is not strengthened, it will face grave risks, which may probably include foreign strikes. The Islamist groups have an irresponsible sense of nationalism and do not believe in the national borders of the state.

Al-Hayat:  What is the truth behind the rumors that the revolution began in eastern Libya and was delayed in other areas?

Tatanaki:  The citizens started the Libyan revolution, which began at the same time in all of the regions, with different potentials and conditions. The movement has emerged in Benghazi, as a result of the significant marginalization the city suffered from under the Gadhafi rule, where the military presence of its residents was limited to the Saeqa forces, led by Abdel-Fattah Younis, which defected against the regime.
These conditions have encouraged the street movement in Benghazi. On the next day, Tripoli was mobilized. Yet Gadhafi’s reaction against it was harsher, given the heavy presence of his forces in the capital.
As for the just demands of the people of Cyrenaica, we must distinguish between the federation and partition. The decentralization is probable, yet it does not imply the partition that is being promoted by some, most notably the Brotherhood.
In fact, the decentralization is positive in a vast country, and the Libyan people are the ones who decide on this issue, after a good explanation prior to the referendum.
The partition of Libya is undoubtedly a greatest treason. As for the form of the administration, it is put to the referendum.

Al-Hayat:  There has been a tendency by the ruling forces to keep intellectuals who immigrated abroad at a distance, what do you think about that ?

Tatanaki:  It is negative behavior that a person accepts to be kept away or that he excludes himself. We are continuing our battle for a better future for Libya, and the overthrow of the Gadhafi rule was just the first round.

Al-Hayat:  Is there any coordination with the Libyans living abroad to support the revolution and the new institutions?

Tatanaki:  There are superficial contacts. Yet, in Libya, without any exception, we lack the culture of a team to resolve the crisis.
We have been working so far as individuals and entities. The fear for the country has not reached out to our deep thinking, although it is a critical situation. The direct preliminary ideas are the ones prevailing, even though some of them are practical and beneficial.

Al-Hayat:  What do you think about the reconciliation slogan that Islamist groups have repeatedly raised?

Tatanaki:  Actually, there are no major problems among the people, the tribes or between cities. There are individual acts, and the Brotherhood is creating and spreading a problem, although it is individual and can be solved by itself.
They address those who left Libya and ask them to come back, without providing them with safety.

Al-Hayat:  What about the Libyans who live abroad and were in positions of responsibility under the Gadhafi rule?

Tatanaki:  It is necessary to prosecute senior officials and not junior employees or soldiers, [or else it would be similar to] the prosecution of a whole tribe for the actions of its leaders or some of its leaders. It would be similar to the prosecution of Libya as a whole for the Lockerbie bombing, or the prosecution of the Libyan people for the actions of Gadhafi.

Al-Hayat:  In your opinion, what are the limits of political isolation?

Tatanaki:  In principle, I support it, if it deals with senior officials under the Gadhafi rule, considering that they pledge loyalty to the dictator. Yet, there are two problems. The first is related to the stages when these officials were appointed. The second one is linked to the positions they held. The Gadhafi rule went through different stages.
It depends on the position and the stage. It is to be noted that in the 1980s, the appointments were based on the loyalty to the revolutionary committees. There is no generalization in this regard.
It is not necessary now to employ those who ruled under the Gadhafi rule; if some of them were subject to injustice, it is not a problem. In fact, taking part in the governance under the Gadhafi era is an experience in bad governance. So, if employed, they will do us no good.
We can forgive them, but cannot employ them. I believe one cannot be forced to do a specific job unless threatened with death. The courts will decide the matter. In any way, there are enough men and women in Libya to employ and spare the country the return of former officials of the Gadhafi rule.
The Brotherhood pledged allegiance to Gadhafi in 2005 and 2006 (Gadhafi and Saif al-Islam Gadhafi). The Brotherhood did so and did not participate in the government, which is why they were not isolated politically.
The number of businessmen, especially tradesmen, is high, as in any other country. Yet, there are individuals who were supported by the authorities to create economic entities. Suddenly, an employee would be possessing $50 million, which will certainly raise questions about the source. Yet, all these people must be provided with a fair trial at all times.
Before anything else, the country needs a police, an army and a judiciary. When these departments serve the state, they will stabilize it, knowing that it cannot be built under a lack of security and the presence of corruption.

Al-Hayat:  Are the Arabs and the world aware of how serious the situation is in Libya today?

Tatanaki:  We need to be wary of any foreign intervention that could result from the actions of an extremist current. The innocent Libyan people will be paying the price. A military intervention in a foreign state needs a justification that they will find in the mistakes committed in Libya.
In general, our people are emotional and quickly forget. The issue of the US ambassador who was killed in Benghazi is not over yet. In Washington, they have not forgotten that, because for them, time explains the problem and doesn't solve it. Years have passed before the Lockerbie issue was solved, after the Libyan people had suffered financially because of the siege imposed on the country.

Al-Hayat:  In your opinion, what solution is required for Libya?

Tatanaki:  Building the institutions of a unified state. It is unavoidable to form an emergency government that is monitored by parliament, that withdraws the weapons [from militias], develops the police, the army and the judiciary (uses the tribes to assume the responsibility of tribal militiamen and apply the norms to deter them). A fair judiciary is needed, because an activated judiciary is equal to an army and a police. Without it, we would have laid the foundations of a new barbarism.
We can also seek the help of foreign technical expertise. When it comes to the cadres, we have enough Libyans and capable cadres that can be employed. I am not talking about leaders, but engineers, technicians and administrators.
I would like to note the proper use of resources, and permanent awareness of the damage caused by the prevailing corruption in most of the sectors. I raise the slogan of “every citizen is a watchman,” which means that citizens will take the initiative of contributing to the social, economic, political and administrative security.
This is in addition to the promotion of good neighborly ties with the regional countries, based on mutual cooperation and common interests, which were damaged by the Gadhafi rule for decades.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2014/05/libya-interview-terrorism-militias-strong-state.html#ixzz35dKQb5xV
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Libyan businessman Hassan Tatanaki talked to Al-Hayat about the necessity of forming an emergency government in Libya to strengthen the army, police and judiciary, before the country becomes a source of terrorism.
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Hassan Tatanaki's Opinion About Libya requires emergency government


The following interview with Libyan businessman Hassan Tatanaki was conducted a few days before the sudden events took place in Libya. The General National Congress (GNC) was surprised by the military deployment led by retired Maj. Gen. Khalifa Hifter in Benghazi, Tripoli and other areas. This operation was supported by sectors of the army and has pushed the GNC to announce, in a shocking step, the election of a new parliament on June 25 to replace the GNC, whose term has expired.
Summary 
 Libyan businessman Hassan Tatanaki talked to Al-Hayat about the necessity of forming an emergency government in Libya to strengthen the army, police and judiciary, before the country becomes a source of terrorism.
Author Mohammad Ali Farhat Posted May 23, 2014
Translator(s)Joelle El-Khoury
 
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The elections may not be held on schedule because the events on the ground keep changing around the clock. Meanwhile, neighboring countries are closing their borders to people, the Arab League is taking action and the Maghreb countries are calling for a meeting to discuss the developments in Libya. For their part, the United Nations, the United States and Europe are watching with a great level of suspense.
Tatanaki said that Islamic political parties were controlling the GNC after they had received the consent of Western circles and became powerful. However, he considers Libya’s problem to extend beyond this, as developments reveal a desire to turn this country into a hotbed of terrorism.
Tatanaki said he is optimistic about the ability of the Libyan people, with all their revolutionaries, armed forces and tribes, to overcome chaos and deter extremist leaders that are striving to spread discord between the tribes and across the cities. He suggested the creation of an emergency government monitored by an elected parliament to enhance the army, the police and the judiciary, and respect the responsibilities of the tribes as per their customs, for deterrence. This leads to getting rid of illegal weapons and makes people trust the state security institutions and the judiciary.
As a political activist, Tatanaki said in all transparency that he helped close associates of the regime in solving the problem of the blockade resulting from the Lockerbie problem. Back then, the regime of former President Moammar Gadhafi considered him a close associate of the United States and some European countries. Some Gadhafi supporters even accused him of collaborating with these countries.


Tatanaki accompanied the Libyan revolution from the very beginning. He offered social and media assistance and served as an assistant to the first administration of the revolution, which was headed by Mustafa Abdul Jalil. He helped the administration in its relations with the United States and some European countries. Tatanaki always prefers to be referred to merely as a Libyan “citizen.”
The text of the interview follows:

Al-Hayat:  Revolutions breed chaos while waiting for the crystallization of the national political system, and in the case of Libya, this is taking some time. There are concerns plaguing both the domestic and the regional arenas. Why is the process taking so long? Is it a natural or intentional delay?

Tatanaki:  The GNC’s term, as per specialized observers, has expired, but the political Islam parties’ control of the GNC and their disrespect of the people and the state explains their survival and the survival of the GNC. It’s like they’ve kidnapped the state by impeding the establishment of new post-revolutionary institutions. The GNC is invalid now, despite the fact that foreign countries believe it is. Had a similar act occurred in a foreign country, the involved people would have been referred to courts.

The control of the GNC, the weakness of the government and the presence of militias are all factors that lead to a dictatorship project with an imaginary entity called political Islam.
They are trying to control the state departments and employ their supporters in the joints of public departments and institutions, although they are a minority, and they are doing so through pressures that the Libyans are aware of, including direct and indirect threats.
At the popular level, these people do not enjoy great support, but they engage in inhumane behavior and political games that cannot be afforded by the post-revolution phase of state construction. For example, they push some of their figures to the forefront and present them as independent.

Al-Hayat:  The Islamic political groups are losing in the Libyan post-revolution referendums, but they are clinging to power positions, sometimes with the consent of major foreign countries.

Tatanaki:  Western leaders consider what happened in Egypt and is happening in Libya as a natural matter. According to them, the Brotherhood is a religious and social movement that has a political framework connected to the demands of the people. These leaders cannot distinguish between the Muslim Brotherhood and the conservative religious education of the people. There is quite a difference between the two. The Brotherhood is a political movement; it does not include people specialized in religious sciences and guidance. The Muslim Brotherhood’s relationship with religion is neither solid nor unreliable. Their leadership does not include specialized clerics because most of them are engineers and doctors, among other civil disciplines. They just grow beards and take themselves for guardians of Islam.
Some European presidents have shallowly supported the Brotherhood in a bid to let Muslims solve their own problems internally, but did they really leave us and abstain from interfering in our affairs and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood? There is no doubt that this is a game that goes beyond Libya’s border and spreads in the region. The great potential and discourse of the Brotherhood and their allies in Libya goes beyond their need to take control of Libya alone. There is more to it. [They] want to turn Libya into a platform and a source of terrorism given its strategic location. Terrorism is being practiced under the banner of Islam, although in actuality it has nothing to do with Islam.

Situation of tribes

Al-Hayat:  Does tribalism in Libya constitute a real obstacle to the crystallization of the new Libyan state?

Tatanaki:  There are extremist leaders who exploit individuals in tribes for sedition purposes and in a bid to tighten their control, but the Libyan people communicate among each other, and there are no fundamental problems between the tribes. We have more than a hundred tribes, and there are only limited problems among a small number of them, and this is normal in any society in the world.
Some Islamic movements provoke tribal disputes in an attempt to create baseless conflicts for sedition purposes.
During the era of Gadhafi, the popular bases of the tribes were interrelated, and Gadhafi only controlled some of the leaders of these tribes. However, one should always be cautious. When blood starts to flow, it is hard to stop it. We are still at the beginning, and it is easier for us to prevent a torrent of blood on the hands of sedition-seekers who only care about control.
There are no broad affiliations to political Islamic organizations in Libyan society. The percentage of those who have certain affiliations does not exceed 5%, knowing that their affiliation is tribal, regional and national, and they are all Muslims.
Tribalism leads to the [building of the] state. It does not hinder the process, but there are people who sow discord among tribes, especially in the western regions. Misrata, as a revolutionary city, originally derived its strength from being an economic city. The actions of some people who are sympathetic toward the Muslim Brotherhood have led to the emergence of discord among the people of Misrata and those of Benghazi. It is as if they are taking Libya toward a greater strife. Are these actions aimed at dividing Libya as a country — not as a people — and distributing the resulting parts among the neighboring countries? There is no other explanation for such seditious behavior.
In a matter of months, if Libya does not get stronger, i.e., if the entire state is not strengthened, it will face grave risks, which may probably include foreign strikes. The Islamist groups have an irresponsible sense of nationalism and do not believe in the national borders of the state.

Al-Hayat:  What is the truth behind the rumors that the revolution began in eastern Libya and was delayed in other areas?

Tatanaki:  The citizens started the Libyan revolution, which began at the same time in all of the regions, with different potentials and conditions. The movement has emerged in Benghazi, as a result of the significant marginalization the city suffered from under the Gadhafi rule, where the military presence of its residents was limited to the Saeqa forces, led by Abdel-Fattah Younis, which defected against the regime.
These conditions have encouraged the street movement in Benghazi. On the next day, Tripoli was mobilized. Yet Gadhafi’s reaction against it was harsher, given the heavy presence of his forces in the capital.
As for the just demands of the people of Cyrenaica, we must distinguish between the federation and partition. The decentralization is probable, yet it does not imply the partition that is being promoted by some, most notably the Brotherhood.
In fact, the decentralization is positive in a vast country, and the Libyan people are the ones who decide on this issue, after a good explanation prior to the referendum.
The partition of Libya is undoubtedly a greatest treason. As for the form of the administration, it is put to the referendum.

Al-Hayat:  There has been a tendency by the ruling forces to keep intellectuals who immigrated abroad at a distance, what do you think about that ?

Tatanaki:  It is negative behavior that a person accepts to be kept away or that he excludes himself. We are continuing our battle for a better future for Libya, and the overthrow of the Gadhafi rule was just the first round.

Al-Hayat:  Is there any coordination with the Libyans living abroad to support the revolution and the new institutions?

Tatanaki:  There are superficial contacts. Yet, in Libya, without any exception, we lack the culture of a team to resolve the crisis.
We have been working so far as individuals and entities. The fear for the country has not reached out to our deep thinking, although it is a critical situation. The direct preliminary ideas are the ones prevailing, even though some of them are practical and beneficial.

Al-Hayat:  What do you think about the reconciliation slogan that Islamist groups have repeatedly raised?

Tatanaki:  Actually, there are no major problems among the people, the tribes or between cities. There are individual acts, and the Brotherhood is creating and spreading a problem, although it is individual and can be solved by itself.
They address those who left Libya and ask them to come back, without providing them with safety.

Al-Hayat:  What about the Libyans who live abroad and were in positions of responsibility under the Gadhafi rule?

Tatanaki:  It is necessary to prosecute senior officials and not junior employees or soldiers, [or else it would be similar to] the prosecution of a whole tribe for the actions of its leaders or some of its leaders. It would be similar to the prosecution of Libya as a whole for the Lockerbie bombing, or the prosecution of the Libyan people for the actions of Gadhafi.

Al-Hayat:  In your opinion, what are the limits of political isolation?

Tatanaki:  In principle, I support it, if it deals with senior officials under the Gadhafi rule, considering that they pledge loyalty to the dictator. Yet, there are two problems. The first is related to the stages when these officials were appointed. The second one is linked to the positions they held. The Gadhafi rule went through different stages.
It depends on the position and the stage. It is to be noted that in the 1980s, the appointments were based on the loyalty to the revolutionary committees. There is no generalization in this regard.
It is not necessary now to employ those who ruled under the Gadhafi rule; if some of them were subject to injustice, it is not a problem. In fact, taking part in the governance under the Gadhafi era is an experience in bad governance. So, if employed, they will do us no good.
We can forgive them, but cannot employ them. I believe one cannot be forced to do a specific job unless threatened with death. The courts will decide the matter. In any way, there are enough men and women in Libya to employ and spare the country the return of former officials of the Gadhafi rule.
The Brotherhood pledged allegiance to Gadhafi in 2005 and 2006 (Gadhafi and Saif al-Islam Gadhafi). The Brotherhood did so and did not participate in the government, which is why they were not isolated politically.
The number of businessmen, especially tradesmen, is high, as in any other country. Yet, there are individuals who were supported by the authorities to create economic entities. Suddenly, an employee would be possessing $50 million, which will certainly raise questions about the source. Yet, all these people must be provided with a fair trial at all times.
Before anything else, the country needs a police, an army and a judiciary. When these departments serve the state, they will stabilize it, knowing that it cannot be built under a lack of security and the presence of corruption.

Al-Hayat:  Are the Arabs and the world aware of how serious the situation is in Libya today?

Tatanaki:  We need to be wary of any foreign intervention that could result from the actions of an extremist current. The innocent Libyan people will be paying the price. A military intervention in a foreign state needs a justification that they will find in the mistakes committed in Libya.
In general, our people are emotional and quickly forget. The issue of the US ambassador who was killed in Benghazi is not over yet. In Washington, they have not forgotten that, because for them, time explains the problem and doesn't solve it. Years have passed before the Lockerbie issue was solved, after the Libyan people had suffered financially because of the siege imposed on the country.

Al-Hayat:  In your opinion, what solution is required for Libya?

Tatanaki:  Building the institutions of a unified state. It is unavoidable to form an emergency government that is monitored by parliament, that withdraws the weapons [from militias], develops the police, the army and the judiciary (uses the tribes to assume the responsibility of tribal militiamen and apply the norms to deter them). A fair judiciary is needed, because an activated judiciary is equal to an army and a police. Without it, we would have laid the foundations of a new barbarism.
We can also seek the help of foreign technical expertise. When it comes to the cadres, we have enough Libyans and capable cadres that can be employed. I am not talking about leaders, but engineers, technicians and administrators.
I would like to note the proper use of resources, and permanent awareness of the damage caused by the prevailing corruption in most of the sectors. I raise the slogan of “every citizen is a watchman,” which means that citizens will take the initiative of contributing to the social, economic, political and administrative security.
This is in addition to the promotion of good neighborly ties with the regional countries, based on mutual cooperation and common interests, which were damaged by the Gadhafi rule for decades.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2014/05/libya-interview-terrorism-militias-strong-state.html#ixzz35dKQb5xV
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Pittsburgh Steelers running back Rashard Mendenhall felt the brunt of public outrage back in May of 2011 when he decided to weigh in on a matter of American foreign policy. Clearly disgusted with the jubilant nature of celebrations following Osama bin Laden’s death, Mendenhall took to twitter to voice his dissatisfaction:

“What kind of person celebrates death? It’s amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We’ve only heard one side…”

The condemnations and denouncements began soon after, littering the sports press with attacks on Mendenhall, pinning him against the broader American public and eventually causing him to lose his well-valued endorsement with Champion sportswear. He received attacks from fans, sports owners, and fellow football players, most notably Michael Vick. In attempting to clarify his remarks, Mendenhall wrote on his personal blog that he was reacting solely to the “amount of joy” following an event of murder:

I don’t believe that this is an issue of politics or American pride; but one of religion, morality, and human ethics. In the bible, Ezekiel 33:11 states, “Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways!…”. I wasn’t questioning Bin Laden’s evil acts. I believe that he will have to face God for what he has done. I was reflecting on our own hypocrisy. During 9/11 we watched in horror as parts of the world celebrated death on our soil. Earlier this week, parts of the world watched us in horror celebrating a man’s death.

Obviously, such a Christian nation as the United States could not tolerate actual Christian thoughts or examinations in evaluating murder. Therefore, Mendenhall was subjugated to the whim of public anger.

The broader effect of this episode, negative flak and all, perfectly conveys just how entrenched the desire for bloodshed and violence is in American society. Citizens gathered at the White House, in Times Square, and across the United States, and openly celebrated the death of a human being. The fact is that the tragic events of 9/11, brought on by foreign occupation and meddling, have somehow justified the American populace to embrace news of mass deaths and assassinations, cheered on by war-hungry executive and legislative branches.

Such bloodlust has been a routine triumph for state-induced patriotism, almost always leading to a bump in the public opinion polls for the American Presidents who commit these actions, simultaneously justifying billions, if not trillions, of dollars in military spending. Congressional leaders and war profiteers monopolize the television talk shows and newspaper editorials, praising the death of the singular individual as another “key moment” in the ever-expanded Global War on Terror. The pattern is laughably recognizable.

With that in mind, 2011 has proven to be one of the bloodiest years in American interventionism. As far as civilians are concerned, over 3,000 Iraqis have been declared dead, 3,500 in Afghanistan, 2,000 in Libya, and countless more in the drone attacks in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. Since the invocation of the “Global War on Terror” in 2001, over 8,000 American soldiers have been killed on various battlegrounds across the world. 2010 was the year in which more American military personnel committed suicide than were killed in action. The collateral damage exists on both sides.

The most high-profile killing occurred in Yemen, when an Unmanned Air Vehicle, a drone armed with hell-fire missiles, dropped a payload on Anwar Al-Awlaki, an American citizen born in New Mexico, who the Obama administration had labeled the “Chief of External Operations”of Al-Qaeda. The administration never produced a shred of evidence which connected him to specific attacks, but his purported “ties” to terror groups seemed enough to warrant his murder. The only effort produced by the Obama administration was the release of a memo citing legal authority to assassinate an American citizen, mirroring George W. Bush’s own memo to justify torture of terrorist suspects. The reaction from the American public followed the official government line, although skeptical voices, such as Presidential Candidate Ron Paul, dissident Noam Chomsky, and reporter Jake Tapper questioned the assassination without due process.

Al-Awlaki was not the only one killed, however. The co-editor of the Al-Qaeda magazine Inspire, Samir Khan, another American citizen was also killed in the same attack.

Less than a month later, Al-Awlaki’s son, 16 year-old Abdel-Rahman Anwar al-Awlaki, also an American citizen, was also killed by a target drone attack, demonstrating the Obama administration’s utter disregard for human life. In this case, however, the news was kept quiet, keeping the celebrations confined to the drawing room of the Department of Defense, the cubicles of so-called “terrorism experts” at neoconservative think-tanks, and the conference rooms of weapon manufacturers.

And now, on the morning of the 20th of October, 2011, the American bloodlust returns to fruition. Early indications are that Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was killed by Libyan rebels. Though more than 65% of the American public were initially opposed to any American intervention in Libya, more than $1 billion was spent, and it was never officially approved by the U.S. Congress, the American sentiment will surely be one of celebration. The media elite will continue to push the flawed story that Gaddafi was responsible for the Lockerbie bombing (disproved by the documentary The Maltest Double Cross-Lockerbie), subverting the truth and relegating it once more only for a concern only for historians, not present popular opinon.  

The stories told over the next few days will surely attempt to justify the billions spent, the thousands of lives lost, and the pronounced need for more military spending, as is always the case. The public will be swooned to the supposed “power” of the Obama doctrine, and the majestic capacities of American interventionism will reign once more. Forever lost to history will be the quite friendly relationship the U.S. had with enjoyed with Libya once trade was re-opened. In fact, Wikileaks cables revealed that many U.S. Senators enjoyed several state-sponsored visits to Libya, hosted by Gaddafi himself. The biggest American proponents to remove Gaddafi from power, McCain, Joe Lieberman, and Senator Lindsey Graham, were also the first ones to embrace him just a few years ago, as they all traveled to Libya. McCain even tweeted his meeting with Gaddafi back in 2009. A post I did a few months ago also reveals the many state visits to Libya enjoyed by many world leaders, the very same who claimed Gaddafi was a “tyrant” no longer fit to rule, and were the first to commit planes and bombs to the African nation. As Rashard Mendenhall so intelligently stated, we should revisit our own “hypocrisy“.



Going forward, the official reaction of the American government is best explained by South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, one of the most hawkish individuals in public office. Speaking to Fox News, Senator Graham stated plainly what the role of the United States in Libya will be in the next few years: “there is a lot of money to be made, a lot of oil to be drilled“. Alas, another coup supported by American arms succeeds. The world’s policeman once again polishes its badge and gun, and calls it a victory for the American way.

As millions far from these lands die under the American flag, far from the protections of constitutional republicanism, the broader populace should recognize the future implications of the constant meddling in foreign nations, where the world is a witness to the crimes of our government. History is the driving force of the Israeli/Palestinian issue, and it will continue to be one to condemn the United States federal government in the eyes of those who live elsewhere.
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